5. DEV kaai keratha avnko utpaati keririyo?
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elle oNTe mhoTTa marmangan sEthe kELvi! khonni thenu aski thenu oppulariya vidhamgan sangi ruju dhevaanaa! kaga menethi, avre menik jelum kaDriya thega uthEsUs elle kELvik oNTe oNTe thenu thenthengo jeevanamum bathil dhee, elle bhulaku “poLTamur” rheeli pAss hoyi jana hOriyo haalthi!
(kaai baa… thU bathil dhevus menthi atho jhirkarasi! serkas, thoga kaLaya dhUruk sangi - kaai keratha aski themaam bhori beLi kaschitangan sEthe DEV (Wholly All-Perfect God) avnko utpaati kerna poDeyO?)
OK... oNTe viLakkam mahaannu sangiriyo, thelle kaayo meneti: aski themaam bhori beLi kaschitangan sEthe DEV (Wholly All-Perfect God) khobbimUS pondhariyo Anandam dusro thenko sengADi meLi pondhuno meni melli, oNTegan hodhe DEV jukku vidhangan vaDo kerlriyo. dheeyo muzhusugan askigan (two “whole”s) hoyi rhaatha musunaa! thego haalthi, DEV limit nheenaatho sEthe unaRvum rheeli, thengo sEthe abarimitha shakthi thowli, nhannagan rheeli mhoTTagan lenku oNTe limit thagi, jukku vidhavidhangan elle prapancham utpatti keririyo (kerariyo meLi). utpatti hoyriya askinu thoDarchigan thenthengo uNarvum vEngan evolve hoylEt, kaDaiSi DEV jovaL cherariyo maadhiri keririyo.
(Hmmm… kaigee suTTiriyo madhiri sEnaa! avre meniku jelum pathi konni sangiraani nhaa?)
DEV joval phiri jaariyo evolution haLLu sE menthi, DEV meniku jelumuk oNTe special vithuramgan DEV senga oNTE hoyi thenka dEv anubhavam pondhariya madhiri keri soDriyo. aana ellemaam oNTe "piDi" thovriyaas! aski menukunuk oNTE maadhiri key dhiye bomme (robot) sOn kernaatho, thenthenu aastho poDariyo choose keratha maadhiri muzhu suthandhiram dheeraas. bhulakur sEthe aski jeevaraasinum, elle urime meniguk oNTe sEthe mukhyathuvam. ellemaam sEthe piDi kaayo menet, menkyaanuk suthandhirangan select keratha DEV sOnUs muzhu urime rhiyedhi meLi thelle muDiv haal avariyo phalan thenthenUS anubavinchuno menariya dherum hoye oNTe vidhi keririyaas. DEV oNTe mhoTTa shakthimaankan rhiyadhi meLi elle suthandiramuk aDDam poDariyo nhee. DEVuus nhee meni meLi oNTe menik mellatha dhUruk urime dheeraas! DEV uthES dhaanu ami pUraa phiri avatha edhirsee rhakilEt sEthe, aana ami avro monnu oppayi avno meni DEV melraas! ellego mhoTTan DEVu “leelaa” or “khaaL” meni menariyo.
(elle viLakkam oNTe pokkaT ruvvo sadaavgan sEthe madhiri sE, aana,.chintana keratha maadhiri meLi sE! elloko kaaithi dusro vidangan athaatchi sEyaa?)
Haai, sEthe… aski bhulakum menuk jelum sarithurum, DEVuk dhekke mahaannum konni thenu elle leelaa oNTe mhoTTa fraud kaam meni complaint keriraani! thego bothuluk, thenu pUraak oNTE maadhiri thenu anubhavanchariyo oNTe vivarinchatha musunaatha pEraanandam meni sangiriyaas! jatho, menuk jelum khaDatheka phalanUs elle nirathisaya sukhaanubhavam pondhathES meni meLi sangiraas! kikkagee thenko muTTaLnu baathaan kerethi meLi poruthili, thenu dusro menkyaanuk elle nilaiyuk jaatho chokkaD lalitangan vaaD dhekaDraas, thellego thenka jeev meLi dheeraas! aana, DEV sogan thenu meLi dusro thenko suthandhiramuk aDDam poDraani; thenko shakthi prayOg keri, oppulanaathengo dhakkaDi machiraani!
dusro DEV dhekke mahaanun sogan, Sri VaLLuvarnu, sEthe dhukkunum pUraa mhoTTa dhukku hoye aastha suTTedhi, elleD bhulokur rhaatha vELUs mhoTTa pEraanandham thoDarchigan pondhuvaai meni sangiraas.
இன்பத்துள் இன்பம் இடையறாது ஈண்டும் அவா என்னும்
துன்பத்துள் துன்பம் கெடின்.
"inbathuL inbam iDaiaRaadhu eeNdum avaa ennum
thunbathuL thunbam keDin”
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( SerkOsu, aski thenu oppulatha maadhiri ruju dhevaanaa menet, dusre vidhangan kaaidhi DEV sEthe meni kaLaLLatha vaaD sEyaa? thU elle bhulakuk kago “poLTam” meni varNincheyo? kago Valluvar “aasthaak” mhoTTa dhukku meni sangiriyo? thellegak kin DEV jOl phiri jaatha kaai sambhandham? elle kuRaLum sangiriya pEraanandam abbetheno morether kaai hoi? “dherum hoye vidhi” menariyatheka viLakkam kaayo? thelle kOnak kaam kerariyo? DEVUS nhee menariya theno, elle aanmeeka vishayam pathi nomke nheetheko kaai maadiri phalun abbayi?...
Kaai dhaanu, saraamaari keLvin thayi luchariyo! uvvo rhavo… avre bein seddhu nheenhaatho aikilEt sE; thenu kaai menaraas meni pusengo...
Haai, elle vishayamun svaarasyangan sE, jatho, chokkaT chinthane keratha maadhiri meLi sE! thU sangey DEVu leela oNTe dhoLo bandhili khaLariyo “kaNNaa moochi” khaal sogan sE. Haayii, DEV prema swaroopam, mhoTTa dhayaaLu guNNu sEthena meni sangi aikiraasnaa, ellemaam mogo konni sambandam kaLayannaa… kagO? …
thumi atho mullo pusey kELvinuk avre VaLLuvarnu kaai sangiraas meni saathagu, jukku dhinnu thumi morey sengaaDi “dEraa” thaina hoi… avnko konni problem nhee, oNTe vatha morey ghommaa amman, Uma Sivakumar, jovaL sanguthus. avnko chokkaTkan gavunchulan!)
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-Phd.
Jai Gurudev! AUM!
#KROM 5. Why God created us?
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This is a very profound and mysterious question which nobody can objectively explain and prove it. Since the very purpose of human birth is to answer this question individually with their own life, in order to graduate out of this world “school”!
(Come on… don’t try to skirt answering it! At least tell me, what you believe in as the plausible reason for the Wholly All-Perfect God creating us?)
OK... one explanation saints mention is that All-Perfect, Wholly Complete God has intended to share His End-less Ever-New Bliss by dividing Himself. There cannot be two “Whole”s possible at the same time! So, He made (and continues to make) the creation, out of His Infinite Consciousness, filled with an innumerable variety of forms, by limiting their consciousness from lowest to the highest degree, by His Unlimited Power. All these created forms are designed to evolve continuously into higher consciousness until they finally merge back into Him.
(Hmmm… something is missing! what about us human beings who are free to do what they wish?)
To speed up the evolution process, God has uniquely equipped human beings with the potential to become one with God to experience as He is. With a catch, however! Instead of making all the human beings as a replica of the same kind, God bestowed All-Powerful free-will as He has to each human being. This is an unique capability available only to the human beings in the whole creation, that will allow them to choose as they wish, however, with the catch that they are responsible for the consequences according to the Fair and Just Law. God, although Almighty, does not interfere in human being’s exercise of free-will, to the extent that an individual may even choose to deny the existence of God! Consistent with His intention (to share the Never-Ending Bliss), God is eagerly awaiting the return of human beings to Him, but expect them do so on their own choice! This aspect is described as “Leela” or “Play” of God.
(It seems bit naive... Is there any corroborating basis for the above explanation?)
Yes, there is... In the entire known human history, none of the saints who attained the God-realization has ever said salvation as the biggest scam! Instead, they all unanimously conclude that it is a state of inexplicable supernal bliss and that is the only thing worthy of attainment for a human being! Also, they try hard, sometimes even with their human lives at stake, to persuade other fellow human beings to follow their suit but, like God, they do not interfere in others’ individual free-will resorting to force!
Like other God-Realized saints, Sri Valluvar says, one can attain Supernal Bliss continuously while being in this world if (big IF) one’s desire vanishes! He describes desire (avaa) as the worst pain among all pains!
இன்பத்துள் இன்பம் இடையறாது ஈண்டும் அவா என்னும்
துன்பத்துள் துன்பம் கெடின்.
"inbathuL inbam iDaiyaRaadhu eeNdum avaa ennum
thunbathuL thunbam keDin”
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(I see… {a long pause...} If there is no objective proof, is there any other ways to prove or experience God’s presence? why did you refer this world as “school”? why is “desire” mentioned by Valluvar as the worst pain? what is that to do with creation and evolution? Does Kural imply the attainment of “Continuous Bliss” only applicable in this birth? Is the human free-will absolutely free? What is the nature of Fair and Just Law? How does it operate? What are the consequences if a person does not believe in God or any of these (spirituality, in general)?...
Oh wait, Brother!, you are on a roll… let’s see what our Sister has to say as she is quietly listening to all these.
Yes, this is very interesting and thought provoking! Your description of God’s play seems to me like “hide and seek” game. Also, I don’t see clearly how Love or Compassion operate in this leela which we often heard associated with God… How to reconcile the differences of teachings of many different religions and paths?
It appears, your stay with me is going to extend for a long time to explore Sri Valluvar’s grand treatise together to answer all of your questions, at this rate… ;-) Let me have a quick word with my dear wife, Uma Sivakumar, whose care and discipline helped me to become what I am! )
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#KURAL 369 Recently Occurred in Mind
#PHD
Jai Gurudev! AUM!
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elle oNTe mhoTTa marmangan sEthe kELvi! khonni thenu aski thenu oppulariya vidhamgan sangi ruju dhevaanaa! kaga menethi, avre menik jelum kaDriya thega uthEsUs elle kELvik oNTe oNTe thenu thenthengo jeevanamum bathil dhee, elle bhulaku “poLTamur” rheeli pAss hoyi jana hOriyo haalthi!
(kaai baa… thU bathil dhevus menthi atho jhirkarasi! serkas, thoga kaLaya dhUruk sangi - kaai keratha aski themaam bhori beLi kaschitangan sEthe DEV (Wholly All-Perfect God) avnko utpaati kerna poDeyO?)
OK... oNTe viLakkam mahaannu sangiriyo, thelle kaayo meneti: aski themaam bhori beLi kaschitangan sEthe DEV (Wholly All-Perfect God) khobbimUS pondhariyo Anandam dusro thenko sengADi meLi pondhuno meni melli, oNTegan hodhe DEV jukku vidhangan vaDo kerlriyo. dheeyo muzhusugan askigan (two “whole”s) hoyi rhaatha musunaa! thego haalthi, DEV limit nheenaatho sEthe unaRvum rheeli, thengo sEthe abarimitha shakthi thowli, nhannagan rheeli mhoTTagan lenku oNTe limit thagi, jukku vidhavidhangan elle prapancham utpatti keririyo (kerariyo meLi). utpatti hoyriya askinu thoDarchigan thenthengo uNarvum vEngan evolve hoylEt, kaDaiSi DEV jovaL cherariyo maadhiri keririyo.
(Hmmm… kaigee suTTiriyo madhiri sEnaa! avre meniku jelum pathi konni sangiraani nhaa?)
DEV joval phiri jaariyo evolution haLLu sE menthi, DEV meniku jelumuk oNTe special vithuramgan DEV senga oNTE hoyi thenka dEv anubhavam pondhariya madhiri keri soDriyo. aana ellemaam oNTe "piDi" thovriyaas! aski menukunuk oNTE maadhiri key dhiye bomme (robot) sOn kernaatho, thenthenu aastho poDariyo choose keratha maadhiri muzhu suthandhiram dheeraas. bhulakur sEthe aski jeevaraasinum, elle urime meniguk oNTe sEthe mukhyathuvam. ellemaam sEthe piDi kaayo menet, menkyaanuk suthandhirangan select keratha DEV sOnUs muzhu urime rhiyedhi meLi thelle muDiv haal avariyo phalan thenthenUS anubavinchuno menariya dherum hoye oNTe vidhi keririyaas. DEV oNTe mhoTTa shakthimaankan rhiyadhi meLi elle suthandiramuk aDDam poDariyo nhee. DEVuus nhee meni meLi oNTe menik mellatha dhUruk urime dheeraas! DEV uthES dhaanu ami pUraa phiri avatha edhirsee rhakilEt sEthe, aana ami avro monnu oppayi avno meni DEV melraas! ellego mhoTTan DEVu “leelaa” or “khaaL” meni menariyo.
(elle viLakkam oNTe pokkaT ruvvo sadaavgan sEthe madhiri sE, aana,.chintana keratha maadhiri meLi sE! elloko kaaithi dusro vidangan athaatchi sEyaa?)
Haai, sEthe… aski bhulakum menuk jelum sarithurum, DEVuk dhekke mahaannum konni thenu elle leelaa oNTe mhoTTa fraud kaam meni complaint keriraani! thego bothuluk, thenu pUraak oNTE maadhiri thenu anubhavanchariyo oNTe vivarinchatha musunaatha pEraanandam meni sangiriyaas! jatho, menuk jelum khaDatheka phalanUs elle nirathisaya sukhaanubhavam pondhathES meni meLi sangiraas! kikkagee thenko muTTaLnu baathaan kerethi meLi poruthili, thenu dusro menkyaanuk elle nilaiyuk jaatho chokkaD lalitangan vaaD dhekaDraas, thellego thenka jeev meLi dheeraas! aana, DEV sogan thenu meLi dusro thenko suthandhiramuk aDDam poDraani; thenko shakthi prayOg keri, oppulanaathengo dhakkaDi machiraani!
dusro DEV dhekke mahaanun sogan, Sri VaLLuvarnu, sEthe dhukkunum pUraa mhoTTa dhukku hoye aastha suTTedhi, elleD bhulokur rhaatha vELUs mhoTTa pEraanandham thoDarchigan pondhuvaai meni sangiraas.
இன்பத்துள் இன்பம் இடையறாது ஈண்டும் அவா என்னும்
துன்பத்துள் துன்பம் கெடின்.
thunbathuL thunbam keDin”
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( SerkOsu, aski thenu oppulatha maadhiri ruju dhevaanaa menet, dusre vidhangan kaaidhi DEV sEthe meni kaLaLLatha vaaD sEyaa? thU elle bhulakuk kago “poLTam” meni varNincheyo? kago Valluvar “aasthaak” mhoTTa dhukku meni sangiriyo? thellegak kin DEV jOl phiri jaatha kaai sambhandham? elle kuRaLum sangiriya pEraanandam abbetheno morether kaai hoi? “dherum hoye vidhi” menariyatheka viLakkam kaayo? thelle kOnak kaam kerariyo? DEVUS nhee menariya theno, elle aanmeeka vishayam pathi nomke nheetheko kaai maadiri phalun abbayi?...
Kaai dhaanu, saraamaari keLvin thayi luchariyo! uvvo rhavo… avre bein seddhu nheenhaatho aikilEt sE; thenu kaai menaraas meni pusengo...
Haai, elle vishayamun svaarasyangan sE, jatho, chokkaT chinthane keratha maadhiri meLi sE! thU sangey DEVu leela oNTe dhoLo bandhili khaLariyo “kaNNaa moochi” khaal sogan sE. Haayii, DEV prema swaroopam, mhoTTa dhayaaLu guNNu sEthena meni sangi aikiraasnaa, ellemaam mogo konni sambandam kaLayannaa… kagO? …
thumi atho mullo pusey kELvinuk avre VaLLuvarnu kaai sangiraas meni saathagu, jukku dhinnu thumi morey sengaaDi “dEraa” thaina hoi… avnko konni problem nhee, oNTe vatha morey ghommaa amman, Uma Sivakumar, jovaL sanguthus. avnko chokkaTkan gavunchulan!)
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-Phd.
Jai Gurudev! AUM!
#KROM 5. Why God created us?
----
This is a very profound and mysterious question which nobody can objectively explain and prove it. Since the very purpose of human birth is to answer this question individually with their own life, in order to graduate out of this world “school”!
(Come on… don’t try to skirt answering it! At least tell me, what you believe in as the plausible reason for the Wholly All-Perfect God creating us?)
OK... one explanation saints mention is that All-Perfect, Wholly Complete God has intended to share His End-less Ever-New Bliss by dividing Himself. There cannot be two “Whole”s possible at the same time! So, He made (and continues to make) the creation, out of His Infinite Consciousness, filled with an innumerable variety of forms, by limiting their consciousness from lowest to the highest degree, by His Unlimited Power. All these created forms are designed to evolve continuously into higher consciousness until they finally merge back into Him.
(Hmmm… something is missing! what about us human beings who are free to do what they wish?)
To speed up the evolution process, God has uniquely equipped human beings with the potential to become one with God to experience as He is. With a catch, however! Instead of making all the human beings as a replica of the same kind, God bestowed All-Powerful free-will as He has to each human being. This is an unique capability available only to the human beings in the whole creation, that will allow them to choose as they wish, however, with the catch that they are responsible for the consequences according to the Fair and Just Law. God, although Almighty, does not interfere in human being’s exercise of free-will, to the extent that an individual may even choose to deny the existence of God! Consistent with His intention (to share the Never-Ending Bliss), God is eagerly awaiting the return of human beings to Him, but expect them do so on their own choice! This aspect is described as “Leela” or “Play” of God.
(It seems bit naive... Is there any corroborating basis for the above explanation?)
Yes, there is... In the entire known human history, none of the saints who attained the God-realization has ever said salvation as the biggest scam! Instead, they all unanimously conclude that it is a state of inexplicable supernal bliss and that is the only thing worthy of attainment for a human being! Also, they try hard, sometimes even with their human lives at stake, to persuade other fellow human beings to follow their suit but, like God, they do not interfere in others’ individual free-will resorting to force!
Like other God-Realized saints, Sri Valluvar says, one can attain Supernal Bliss continuously while being in this world if (big IF) one’s desire vanishes! He describes desire (avaa) as the worst pain among all pains!
இன்பத்துள் இன்பம் இடையறாது ஈண்டும் அவா என்னும்
துன்பத்துள் துன்பம் கெடின்.
"inbathuL inbam iDaiyaRaadhu eeNdum avaa ennum
thunbathuL thunbam keDin”
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(I see… {a long pause...} If there is no objective proof, is there any other ways to prove or experience God’s presence? why did you refer this world as “school”? why is “desire” mentioned by Valluvar as the worst pain? what is that to do with creation and evolution? Does Kural imply the attainment of “Continuous Bliss” only applicable in this birth? Is the human free-will absolutely free? What is the nature of Fair and Just Law? How does it operate? What are the consequences if a person does not believe in God or any of these (spirituality, in general)?...
Oh wait, Brother!, you are on a roll… let’s see what our Sister has to say as she is quietly listening to all these.
Yes, this is very interesting and thought provoking! Your description of God’s play seems to me like “hide and seek” game. Also, I don’t see clearly how Love or Compassion operate in this leela which we often heard associated with God… How to reconcile the differences of teachings of many different religions and paths?
It appears, your stay with me is going to extend for a long time to explore Sri Valluvar’s grand treatise together to answer all of your questions, at this rate… ;-) Let me have a quick word with my dear wife, Uma Sivakumar, whose care and discipline helped me to become what I am! )
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#KURAL 369 Recently Occurred in Mind
#PHD
Jai Gurudev! AUM!
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